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Outlandish Knight, The

2010-11-04T19:40:08Z

Ian Russell:

'''The Outlandish Knight'''

[[Roud 21]]

There is a version from ''North Countrie Folk Songs for Schools'', 1921 - words and music plus notes - at http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/displaysong.php?songid=77

Also collected from [[Fred Jordan]] (as [[Six Pretty Maids]]) and [[May Bradley]] (as The Dappledy Grey).

[[Category: Song]]

Tune Index

2009-06-11T23:12:47Z

Ian Russell: link to tunes not yet list in the tunes index

Ask any gathering of session musicians about what tune is what and how they should be categorised and you can settle down for a good long and possibly heated discussion. The following list will not meet everybody's approval but it's a starting point.

Behind these links you'll possibly find titles, history, links to [[abc code]] or some actual code, maybe MIDI, links to associated dances or songs........

The [[William Clark Ms]] page has links to scans of pages from this tune book.

* [[All - Alphabetical]]

* [[Hornpipes]]

* [[Tunes in Common Time]]

* [[48-Bar Common Time Tunes]]

* [[Jigs]]

* [[48-bar Jigs]]

* [[9/8 Jigs]]

* [[3/2 and 6/4 Tunes]]

* [[Waltzes and 3/4 tunes]]

* [[Polkas]]

* [[Schottisches]]

* [[62-Bar tunes]]

* [[Tune Oddities]]

Tune Manuscripts List

2009-06-11T23:07:45Z

Ian Russell: link

This list is based on the one in the '''Hardcore English''' tune book published by the [[EFDSS]]. It represented, in April 2007, the majority of the manuscripts that were known to the English tune playing community, but we hope to see more lines added. Feel free to add information, links, etc.

* ALEXANDER,James MS 1730 New York USA New York Historical Soc. x
* ANDREW,William MS, late19thC Sheepstor,Devon Sabine BaringGould coll. Plymouth City Lib. VMP, part published by Wren Trust
* ASTON-ON-CARRANT MS Aston-on Carrant,Glos. identical with Berkely,Rowland MS x
* ATKINSON,Henry MS, 1694 Morpeth,Northumberland Newcastle Society of Antiquarians VMP & Farne
* AYLMORE,William MS, 1796 W.Wittering,Sussex Lib.Sussex Archeo.Soc, Lewes part published in 'SussexTB'
* [[BARNES,Joseph MS]], 1762 Carlisle,Cumbria Cumbria R.O, Carlisle VMP
* BATY,John MS, 1840-60 Bethel, Northumberland Chantry Bagpipe Museum, Morpeth Farne
* BENNET,Thomas MS, 1718 unknown place of origin VWML, QM 7404 VMP
* BERKELEY,Rowland MS, 1770 Aston-on-Carrant,Glos Private Coll, Glos. published in 'Coleford Jig'
* BEST,Miss MS, c1850 unknown place of origin VWML x
* BETHAM,Matthew MS, 1838 Newby Head,Cumbria VWML, QM P7415or9721? x
* BIGGINS,James MS, 1779 Leeds,W.Yorks. Leeds Central Library, Yorks VMP
* BROWN,William MS, 1797 Romford,Essex USA Sutro Lib.,San Francisco x
* BROWNE Family MSs, various dates Troutbeck,Cumbria ArmittLib, Ambleside, Cumbria VMP
* BURNETT,Joshua MS, early19thC Worsborough,S.Yorks D.Malkin.Private Coll? part published in 'South Riding TB'
* CALVERT,William MS, 1812 Leyburn,N.Yorks. Lynn Wood private coll. VMP
* CANFIELD MS, 1823 Hartford, Connecticut USA Hartford Library? x
* CARLISLE MS, 1810 Carlisle,Cumbria VWML, QM9732,part of VMP
* CARTER, John MS, 1792 unknown place of origin Brit.Lib, GM.MS A.22 x
* CLARE,John MS, c1820 Helpstone,Northants Northampton R.O. VMP, & publ. in 'John Clare & the Folk Tradition'
* CLARKE(L),William MS, 1770 Lincoln Lincoln R.O. VMP [[William Clark Ms]]
* CLARKE(F),William MS, 1858 Feltwell,Norfolk Lyn Law private coll. VMP
* CLOUGH,Tom MSS various dates Northumberland Clough Family private coll. Farne
* COCKS,W.Collection various dates Northumberland Chantry Bagpipe Museum, Morpeth Farne
* COOKE,Benjamin MS, c1770 Leeds,W.Yorks [[Frank Kidson|Kidson]] coll, Mitchell Lib, Glasgow VMP
* CRAWHALL,Joseph MS, 1872 Northumberland Beamish Museum Farne
* DAVOLL,FW MS, 19thC perhaps Staffordshire? Chris Beaumont private coll. published in 'Coleford Jig'
* DOEY,Jean MS, early1thC unknown place of origin VWML, QM9733,part of. x
* FIFE,John MS, c1780 Perth, Scotland Nat.Lib. of Canada x
* FORSTER, A.MS, Wallridge Fell, Northumberland Beamish Museum
* FOX,Charles James MS, 1830 Beverley,E.Yorks [[Frank Kidson|Kidson]] coll, Mitchell Lib, Glasgow VMP
* GIBBONS,Joshua MS, 1820 Market Rasen,Lincs Lincoln R.O. published as 'Lincolnshire Colls,vol1'
* GILES,William Henry MS, 1830 Bampton,Glos VWML x
* GREEN,William Thomas MS, 1851 Northumberland W.Cocks Coll, Chantry, Morpeth Farne
* GREET MS, early19thC Winchcombe,Glos. Peter Hill private coll. published in 'Coleford Jig'
* HALL,John MS, 1833 Northumberland Graham Wells private coll. Farne
* HAMMERSLEY,Thos. MS, 1790 London Brit.Lib. ADD.29371 x
* HARDY,Thos. MS, early19thC Dorset Lock-Hardy papers, Dorsetshire Mus, Dorset part published in 'The Musical Heritage of..'
* HARRISON & WALL MS, c1770 Ashover,Derbyshire Derby Public Library VMP
* [[HARRISON,Rev. Robt. MS]], 1820 Brampton,Cumbria Private Coll. VMP
* HASLINGDEN,James MS, 1827 Midlands or South VWML, QM9728 x
* HIGGOTT,Wm MS, c1800 Cumbria? VWML, QM4606 x
* HUDDESWELL,G MS Leeds,W.Yorks identical with Kidson,F (Hornpipes) x
* IRWIN,Willam MS, 1838 Langdale,Cumbria VWML, QM9732,part of VMP
* JACKSON,HSJ.MS, 1823 Wyresdale,Lancashire Winder Family private coll. VMP
* JACKSON,Joshua MS, 1798 nr.Harrogate,N.Yorks Jackson Family private coll. part publ. in 'Tunes,Songs & Dances From..'
* KERSHAW,Joseph MS, 1820 Oldham,E.Lancs VWML published as 'The Joseph Kershaw MS'
* KIDSON,F MS(Hornpipes), c1900 Leeds,W.Yorks [[Frank Kidson|Kidson]] VWML, QM9723,part of published by Ashton & Dyson
* LAMBERT,Thomas MS, c1860 Ferrybridge,Yorks. VWML, QM9733,part of. x
* LEADLEY,Laurence MSS, early19thC Thirsk,N.Yorks Leadley Family private coll. part published in 'The Fiddler of Helperby'
* LIDDELL, Christopher (Kit) MS, 19thC Private coll
* LISTER,William Hall MS, mid19thC East Boldon,nr Newcastle Lockey Coll, Beamish Museum Farne
* MALECOT, George MS, 1776 Whitehaven,Cumbria USA New Hampshire Uni, Ralph Page Coll. x
* MILLER,John MS, 1799 Perth,Scotland Bell Library, Perth VMP
* MITTELL,Wm MS, 1799 New Romney,Kent Dransfield private coll. (lost, copy in VWML) VMP, part publ. in 'William Mittell His Book'
* MOORE(T),John MS, 1841 Tyneside Paul Burgess private coll. VMP
* MOORE(S),John MS, 1820 Ironbridge,Shropshire VWML, acc.4494 published as 'The Ironbridge Hornpipe'
* MS 21(Jean Doey) see Jean Doey VWML x
* MS 23(H.Weddell) see Henry Weddell VWML x
* MS 28(Anon,c1755) unknown place of origin VWML, QM9722, French & Scottish Airs x
* MS 34(Wolsnoume) see Wolsnoume VWML, QM9733, part of x
* MS 36 unknown place of origin VWML x
* MS 42(T.Lambert) see Lambert VWML x
* MS 9725 ANON, c1850 unknown place of origin VWML, QM9725 x
* NEAL,John 1732 Dublin published colls. uncertain whereabouts x
* NICHOL,John MS, 1840-1900 Northumberland Chantry Bagpipe Museum, Morpeth Farne
* NUTTALL,James MS, 1830 Rossendale,E.Lancs Rossendale Museum, E.Lancs. VMP
* OLDFIELD,Isaac MS, 1820 Belper,Derbs. Neil Wayne,Ho. Mitchell private colls. x
* OWEN,Rodert Dale MS, 1826 New Lanark,Scotland USA Uni.of Illinois, New Harmony MSS VMP
* PYLE,Richard MS, 1822 Nether Wallop,Hants. Hampshire R.O, Winchester, 210M87/1 part published in 'Hampshire Dance Tunes'
* RUSSELL,Edward MS, 1812 Monmouth,Wales Nat. Army Museum, Cat 6207 x
* SENHOUSE MSS coll. various dates Maryport,Cumbria Senhouse Fam. Papers, Cumbria R.O. x
* SHOOSMITH,Thomas MS, early19thC Arlington,Sussex Lib.Sussex Archeo.Soc, Lewes part published in 'SussexTB'
* SPENCER,George MS, 1831 Leeds,W.Yorks Kidson coll, Mitchell Lib, Glasgow VMP
* [[STABLES,Henry MS, 1881]] Walthwaite,Cumbria VWML VMP
* STAFFS,Anon. MS, 1820 Staffordshire Whereabouts unknown VMP
* SURTEES,CJ MS, 1819 Northumberland W.Cocks Coll, Chantry, Morpeth Farne
* TILL,George MS, 1866 Stone,Glos. Gloucester R.O. published in 'Coleford Jig'
* TILLER MS unknown place of origin MS not traced at time of printing x
* TOPLIFF, 1815 Northumberland Darlington Public Library Farne
* TURNER,Michael, 1842-52 Warnham,Sussex West Sussex R.O, Chichester part published in 'SussexTB'
* TYLDESLEY,William MS, c1860 Swinton,Lancs. Swinton Pub.Lib, Lancashire. VMP
* VICKERS,William MS, 1770 Northumberland Newcastle Soc. of Antiquarians Farne, pub. in 'The Great Northern Tune Book'
* VOICE,Wm MS, early19thC Handcross,Sussex Lib.Sussex Archeo.Soc, Lewes part published in 'SussexTB'
* WATSON,George Henry MS, 1850-80 Swanton Abbott,Norfolk Gearge Frampton private coll. VMP
* WATTS,Thomas MS, late18thC Peak Forest,Derbyshire Jenny Coxon private coll. x
* WEDDEL,Henry MS, late18thC unknown place of origin VWML, QM9733, part of x
* WELCH Family MSs, 1800+ Bosham,Sussex Lib.Sussex Archeo.Soc, Lewes part published in 'SussexTB'
* West Midlands MS,Anon, mid19thC W.Midlands P.Davenport private coll. part published in 'South Riding TB'
* WHINHAM,Robert MS, c1860 Morpeth,Northumberland various sources published in 'Remember Me'
* WILLIAMSON,Elisabeth MS, 1790 unknown place of origin VWML, QM11749 x
* WINDER,James MS, 1835 Wyresdale,Lancs. Winder Family private coll. VMP
* WINDER,John MS, 1789 Wyresdale,Lancs Winder Family private coll. VMP
* [[Ann Winnington Ms|WINNINGTON,Ann MS]], c1815 UK+New York,USA Lynn Wood private coll. VMP
* WINSHIP,Lionel, MS, 1833 Wark,Northumberland Beamish Museum Farne
* WINTER,J MS, 1833 Stanton,Glos. Morris Ring? x
* WINTER,William MS. 19thC West Bagborough,Somerset Margaret Grant Lib., Halsway Manor [http://www.halswaymanor.org.uk] Added by --[[User:Geoff woolfe|Geoff woolfe]] 12:19, 8 June 2009 (BST)
* WOLSNOUME MS, c1798 Lancashire VWML, QM9733, part of. x
* YOUNG,David MS, 1734 Creiff,Perthshire,Scotland Bodleian Library x

Charlie Wills

2008-12-08T23:13:03Z

Ian Russell:

== Life Story ==

Charlie Wills was a Somerset/Dorset folk singer and sole artist on the 1972 album carrying his name. He was born in the small Somerset village of West Chinnock on September the 10th 1877. He attended school full time until he was nine, from then on he worked for a local dog breeder for half the day until the just before his thirteenth birthday when he finished his schooling.

The 12" LP was released on [[Leader Records]].
.

== Discography ==

Leader Records
*[[LEA 4041]] [[Charlie Wills]] With booklet. (1972)
.

== Also features on the following albums ==

[[Voice of the People]]. Volume 18 To catch a fine buck was my delight - Songs of hunting and poaching (Topic TSCD 668)
*Track 18 - Charlie Wills - [[The House that Jack Built]]

[[Voice of the People]]. Volume 7 First I'm going to sing you a ditty - Rural fun and frolics (Topic TSCD 657)
*Track 28 - Charlie Wills - [[Up To the Rigs of London Town]]

[[Songs of Seduction (The Folk Songs of Britain)]]
*Track 12 - Charlie Wills - [[The Rigs of London Town]]

[[The Child Ballads 1 (The Folk Songs of Britain)]] (Rounder CD1775)

== Recordings ==

[[Category:Singer]]

Charlie Wills

2008-12-08T23:11:48Z

Ian Russell:

== Life Story ==

Charlie Wills was a Somerset/Dorset folk singer and sole artist on the 1972 album carrying his name. He was born in the small Somerset village of West Chinnock on September the 10th 1877. He attended school full time until he was nine, from then on he worked for a local dog breeder for half the day until the just before his thirteenth birthday when he finished his schooling.

The 12" LP was released on [[Leader Records]].
.

== Discograpy ==

Leader Records
*[[LEA 4041]] [[Charlie Wills]] With booklet. (1972)
.

== Also features on the following albums ==

[[Voice of the People]]. Volume 18 To catch a fine buck was my delight - Songs of hunting and poaching (Topic TSCD 668)
*Track 18 - Charlie Wills - [[The House that Jack Built]]

[[Voice of the People]]. Volume 7 First I'm going to sing you a ditty - Rural fun and frolics (Topic TSCD 657)
*Track 28 - Charlie Wills - [[Up To the Rigs of London Town]]

[[Songs of Seduction (The Folk Songs of Britain)]]
*Track 12 - Charlie Wills - [[The Rigs of London Town]]

[[The Child Ballads 1 (The Folk Songs of Britain)]] (Rounder CD1775)

== Recordings ==

[[Category:Singer]]

English Source Singers

2008-12-08T23:09:42Z

Ian Russell:

[[Singers by County]]

'''An Alphabetical List'''

* [[Jack Arnoll]]
* [[Bob Blake]]
* [[May Bradley]]
* [[Angela Brazil]]
* [[Danny Brazil]]
* [[Harry Brazil]]
* [[Hyram Brazil]]
* [[Lemmie Brazil]]
* [[Tom Brazil]]
* [[Weenie Brazil]]
* [[Charlie Bridger]]
* [[Henry Burstow]]
* [[The Copper Family]]
* [[Cecilia Costello]]
* [[Debbie and Pennie Davies]]
* [[Doris Davies]]
* [[Bill Dore]]
* [[Johnny Doughty]]
* [[Ray Driscoll]]
* [[George Dunn]]
* [[Jack Elliott]]
* [[George Fradley]]
* [[Alice Francombe]]
* [[Jacquey Gabriel]]
* [[Jack Goodban]]
* [[Archer Goode]]
* [[Jim 'Brick' Harber]]
* [[Bob Hart]]
* [[Mary Ann Haynes]]
* [[Ivor Hill]]
* [[Frank Hinchliffe]]
* [[Harry Holman]]
* [[Joe Jones]]
* [[Joe Jones|Lena Jones]]
* [[Fred Jordan]]
* [[Percy Ling]]
* [[George 'Pop' Maynard]]
* [[Tom Newman]]
* [[Freda Palmer]]
* [[Walter Pardon]]
* [[Alice Penfold]]
* [[Cyril Philips]]
* [[Cyril Poacher]]
* [[Sarah Porter]]
* [[Bill Porter]]
* [[Ted and Bet Porter]]
* [[Louie Saunders]]
* [[John Short]] '' aka Yankee Jack''
* [[Biggun Smith]]
* [[Denny Smith]]
* [[JLM Smith|Derby Smith]]
* [[JLM Smith|Jasper Smith]]
* [[JLM Smith|Minty Smith]]
* [[JLM Smith|Levi Smith]]
* [[Wiggy Smith]]
* [[Wisdom Smith]]
* [[George Spicer]]
* [[Joan Taylor]]
* [[Joseph Taylor]]
* [[Henry Tidball]]
* [[George Townshend]]
* [[Harry Upton]]
* [[Alice Webb]]
* [[Bill Whiting]]
* [[Fred Whiting]]
* [[Chris Willett]]
* [[Charlie Wills]]
* [[Jim Wilson]]

English Source Singers

2008-12-08T23:09:11Z

Ian Russell:

Roud No. Template

2008-12-08T22:59:39Z

Ian Russell: New page: See Using Roud Numbers Folkopedia song templates contain a linked reference to the relevant Roud Number. When clicked the link should lead to page which collects together all the song...

See [[Using Roud Numbers]]

Folkopedia song templates contain a linked reference to the relevant Roud Number. When clicked the link should lead to page which collects together all the songs in Folkopedia associated with that Roud Number. If, when you contribute a song, the corresponding Roud Number page does not yet exist then please consider creating it. See [[Roud 728]] for an example.

Roud number 126

2008-12-08T22:44:23Z

Ian Russell: New page: '''Roud 126''' [http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?index_roud=on&cross=off&type=Song&access=off&op_9=or&field_9=&op_12=or&field_12=&op_13=or&field_13=&op_14=or&field_14=&op_15=or&...

'''Roud 126'''

[http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?index_roud=on&cross=off&type=Song&access=off&op_9=or&field_9=&op_12=or&field_12=&op_13=or&field_13=&op_14=or&field_14=&op_15=or&field_15=&op_47=or&field_47=&op_16=or&field_16=&op_0=or&field_0=&op_17=or&field_17=&op_10=or&field_10=&op_11=or&field_11=&op_18=or&field_18=&op_19=or&field_19=&op_20=or&field_20=&op_21=or&field_21=&op_22=or&field_22=&op_23=or&field_23=&op_24=or&field_24=&op_5=or&field_5=&op_25=or&field_25=&op_26=or&field_26=&fieldshow=single&op=or&query=126&field=20&output=List&length=50&submit=Submit+query Search VWML Online]

See http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/displaysong.php?songid=523 for another version, and further information on the song. Broadside versions in the [[Bodleian Library]] can be found by following this link: [http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/ballads/ballads.htm Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads]

== Collected versions ==
*[[Derby Ram]] - [[Charlie Wills]], [[Dorset]]

[[Category:Roud No.]]

Templates

2008-12-08T22:21:45Z

Ian Russell:

[[County Template]]

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Derby Ram

2008-12-08T22:12:11Z

Ian Russell: New page: '''Derby Ram''' Roud number 126 Sung by Charlie Wills, Ryall, Dorset; collected by Peter Kennedy in Bridport, Dorset, 19th Oct 1952. Also recorded in Ryall, Dor...

'''Derby Ram''' 
[[Roud number 126]]

Sung by [[Charlie Wills]], Ryall, [[Dorset]]; collected by [[Peter Kennedy]] in Bridport, Dorset, 19th Oct 1952. Also recorded in Ryall, Dorset by Bill Leader, Jan 1971. 
Recording [[LEA 4041]] first released 1972.

#When I went up to London town Upon a market day The finest ram which I did see Was ever fed by hay ''To my hi-diddle-um derby'' ''Hi-dinkum day'' ''Hi-diddle-um derby,'' ''Upon a market day'' 
#His horns growed on his head sir They growed so high and tall A man went up in January And never got back till June ''To my hi-diddle-um derby etc.'' 
#The wool growed on his back sir It growed so thick and round If you believe my story sir It covered nine acres of ground ''To my hi-diddle-um derby etc.'' 
#The butcher that killed the ram sir Was up to his knees in blood There was five and twenty butcher boys Got washed away in the flood ''To my hi-diddle-um derby etc.'' 
#Took all the dogs in England To pull away his bones And all the women in in England To roll away his pendilums ''To my hi-diddle-um derby etc.'' 
#The man that sold the ram sir He must have been very rich And the fellow that sings the song sir Is the lying son of a bitch ''To my hi-diddle-um derby etc.'' 

[[Category:Song]]

LEA 4041

2008-12-08T20:25:25Z

Ian Russell: New page: Charlie Wills '''Tracklist:''' ''Derby Ram'' ''Barbara Ellen'' ''Banks of sweet Dundee'' ''Germany clockmaker'' ''Game of cards'' ''[[Up to th...

[[Charlie Wills]]

'''Tracklist:'''

''[[Derby Ram]]'' 
''[[Barbara Ellen]]'' 
''[[Banks of sweet Dundee]]'' 
''[[Germany clockmaker]]'' 
''[[Game of cards]]'' 
''[[Up to the rigs of London town]]'' 
''[[Corduroy]]'' 
''[[Brennan on the moor]]'' 
''[[Ruth Butcher]]'' 
''[[Household remedies]]'' 
''[[Our goodman]]'' 
''[[Go and leave me]]'' 
''[[Oak and the ash]]''

293: John of Hazelgreen

2008-12-08T19:46:01Z

Ian Russell:

== John of Hazelgreen Child 293 Roud 250 ==
Number of versions in : Child 4, Bronson 28

This version, apparently unique as a broadside, appears on the Bodleian Broadside Ballad website, Firth Collection b26 (534). It was printed by Webb and Millington of Leeds c1840 and is very obviously taken from oral tradition. Cattle drovers used to come down from Scotland at that time, or the chapmen who sold these printed ballads often moved around a lot, or it could simply have come from someone who had tried to find work further south. There is no hint in it that the ballad came from Scotland, but then there was very little Scots language in the earlier Scottish versions. We only know it is Scottish from the placenames mentioned in the presumed earlier versions.

See [[Child 293 Comment]]

== '''HAZLE GREEN''' ==
1
As I walked one evening all for to take the air,

I heard a charming fair maid heave a sigh and a tear,

I drew a little nigher to her to hear what she could mean,

And all that she lamented for was Willey of Hazle Green.

2
What ails you, what ails you, my charming maid, that you mourn so near the tide,

You might be a bed-fellow to either lord or king,

So cheer up your heart, my charming maid, and come along with me,

I'll marry you to my eldest son, and happy you shall be.

3
When there you will get nothing but mistress or madam,

So cheer up your heart, my charming maid, and come away to him;

For to be called mistress or madam my breeding is so mean,

I'd far rather be a bride to Willey of Hazle Green.

4
What is he, what is he, this Hazle Green, I wish I could see him,

He is one of the cleverest young men that ever your eyes did see,

His arms long, his shoulders broad, he is fair to be seen,

And his hair hangs down like links of gold, and he's my Hazle Green.

5
O I am that Hazle's father that's come to look for thee,

He mounted her on a milk-white steed, himself on a silver grey,

And there they road (sic) along the road the length of a long summer's day,

Until they came unto a fine building wherein the young man dwelt,

Outslipt a clever and clean young man, and his name was Hazle Green,

he kiss'd her once, he kiss'd her twice, before he set her down,

And now she is wed to her own true love, sweet Willey of Hazle green.

----

The change of name, in this case from John to Willey, is quite common in oral tradition.

It is obvious that the reciter had not got a clear grasp of the text and was part remembering, part recomposing as the printer or his hack was taking it down. It would have been very difficult to sing this version with such irregular rhythm, and the lack of rhyme is also a giveaway.

In no other versions does the father reveal who he is. In earlier oral versions when they get back to Hazelgreen we are led to believe the appearance of John is a complete surprise and the father's identity has been kept a secret.

Child 293 Comment

2008-12-08T19:42:11Z

Ian Russell:

'''Child 293 [[John of Hazelgreen]]'''

Although he was well aware of this ballad before he embarked upon the ESPB, Child, quite rightfully in my opinion, placed it in his last volume amongst those of dubious origin. Whilst it is clearly set in southern Scotland, it has no antique features and has a very English feel to it. It is the sort of thing Ramsay was churning out at the time. There is no evidence to suggest it is any earlier than the eighteenth century. The earliest version of about 1730, Child A, from the Elizabeth Cochrane Manuscripts could easily be close to the original, from which Kinloch’s versions, Child B, C and E derive.

Child A is written completely in standard English and although Kinloch’s versions have more Scottish in them Scotifying of English ballads, and indeed Anglifying of Scots ballads, was quite common in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries. Child D, [[Peter Buchan]]’s ridiculous concoction, is dealt with later in more detail.

Despite its scarcity, by the time Child started to compile the ESPB, there is evidence to suggest that it had had small currency in oral tradition (Child E, the Leeds printed broadside on the text page and a fullish version collected and Scotified by Crawfurd). By the twentieth century the ballad was still scarce in Scotland in oral tradition. Gavin Greig only obtained a minimal fragment, from the prolific Bell Robertson. But it had established itself in the United States to the extent that Bronson could print 16 tunes. He actually prints 28 versions but almost half of these are versions of Scott’s poem which is a quite separate work. (See below) It is possible that most or all of these American versions derive in some way from Kinloch’s publications, subsequent reprintings and collations, or even the ESPB itself. After all there are almost as many versions of Scott’s poem in [[Bertrand H. Bronson|Bronson]] and this wasn’t set to music until 1816.

Content of the Ballad
Child A sets the scene close to Biggar about 25 miles south west of Edinburgh, but Kinloch pushes it into Edinburgh itself, no doubt to increase interest and sales of the book, a ploy used frequently by broadside printers. It is perhaps significant that Biggar lies on the direct route from Newton Stewart to Edinburgh. (See later conjecture on this.)

I have already stated that the language and style of this ballad are quite modern, a fact also commented on by [[Bertrand H. Bronson|Bronson]]. The content of the ballad also complements this in that prior to the Union in 1603 southern Scotland was in an almost constant state of turmoil with either internal wars involving factions competing in power struggles or religious wars. Apart from this Biggar is not a million miles from the even more turbulent border region. Unlike most of the earlier Scottish ballads 293 contains no hint of danger or violence. The ballad commences in first person through the eyes of a Scottish landowner, perhaps even a laird, who is setting out to find his youngest son’s sweetheart in order to test her fidelity before fetching her home to his son. It is hard to believe that this would even have been attempted before the Union. Also in earlier centuries the thought of a nobleman condoning his son’s marriage to a commoner would have been unheard of, let alone taking active participation. Forceful abduction was the usual method and that only of members of one’s own social stratum. Intermarriage between clans to forge alliances was common, but between different social strata, no. However broadsides of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries have this social interaction as one of the most popular subjects.

All of this is assuming the ballad was based to some extent on a real event. The name ‘Hazelgreen’ hardly evokes a picture of Scottish clans. I have searched carefully all of the obvious sources including all of the Ordnance Survey maps of southern Scotland and only one place comes near the word. A couple of miles west of Newton Stewart in Dumfries and Galloway lies the village of Hazlie Green and the same distance away to the north lies Garlies Castle, long time the seat of the Garlies Stewarts. The possibility arises here that if there is some grain of truth in the story, one of the Stewart Lairds of Garlies gave John, his youngest son, the stewardship of Hazlie Green. One of the problems in verifying this is that the Garlies Stewarts like most landed Scottish families had hundreds of Johns. Perhaps here lies an interesting piece of research for someone closer to the ground in Galloway.

'''Child 293 D'''

I intend to deal elsewhere with the problem of Peter Buchan’s ballad versions in general. Suffice it here to say that for a long time Child was completely scathing of his ballads. At one end of the scale lies the possibility that Buchan largely took earlier versions and concocted his own adding in all sorts of passages from other ballads and lots of his own composition: At the other end is the possibility that he did some collecting and stitched fragments together adding in necessary joints just as his contemporaries are known to have done.

In 293 D we have a good example of either his work or a ridiculous concoction that was passed off on him. The 10 stanzas of 293 A have been expanded to 17 with some help from Kinloch’s versions. It is not necessary to type out the whole silly piece; the second stanza and a little of the third will suffice, which remind me of something out of ;’The Walrus and the Carpenter’ if that is not too insulting to Lear. It certainly is an insult to oral tradition.
2
The sun was sinking in the west,
The stars were shining clear,
When thro the thickets o the wood
A gentleman did appear.
Says, who has done you wrong, fair maid,
And left you here alane?
Or who has kissed your lovely lips,
That ye ca’ Hazelgreen.
3
‘Hold your tongue, kind sir,’ she said,
And do not banter so;
How will ye add affliction
Unto a lover’s woe?
…..

The whole piece is an affront to traditional ballad lovers and it is a relief as much as an expectation that none of it entered oral tradition. The writer also introduces an old chestnut from children’s fairy stories in that the girl has never met John having only seen him in a dream! To add insult to injury, when they arrive back at Hazelgreen it turns out that John has only ever seen her in a dream!
15
……………..
I must confess this is the maid
I ance saw in a dream,
A walking thro a pleasant shade,
As fair’s a cypress (sic) queen.

So the father has not gone out to test her fidelity, but to find a bride for his son, and has chosen someone he met on the roadside. Perhaps he had a dream as well! Some would say, ‘Of such things ballad stories are made.’ Sigh!

An earlier version of this article can be seen at http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/dungheap.htm
Article 16. This includes links to a version sung by Packie Byrne of Donegal.

== Jock of Hazeldean ==
I only include this here as Bronson included it in his 28 versions of 293 in 'The Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads'. The Roud Index currently includes it under the same number as 293, presumably following Bronson, who presumably includes it to demonstrate the relationship of the tunes.

Sir Walter Scott based his poem on the first stanza of 293 E, a fragment of 2 stanzas obtained by Kinloch. Here the resemblance of the 2 songs ends. Scott set his poem firmly in England on the Errington Estate in Northumberland around the Roman Wall between Hexham and Newcastle. In fact Hazel Dean still stands as a ruin just to the north of the Roman Wall.

Steve Gardham

Jack Arnoll

2008-12-03T23:11:33Z

Ian Russell:

'''Jack Arnoll:''' was born about 1892 and lived in [[Sussex]], ‘over Balcombe way’.  ''The Oak and the Ash'' may be the only song he knew - or would sing in company.

--[[User:RodStradling|RodStradling]] 17:33, 26 March 2007 (BST)

[[Category:Singer]]
[[Category:Sussex]]

Ritual Songs

2008-12-03T23:07:39Z

Ian Russell:

Many of our folk songs arise from cermonies or rituals, or are just seasonal. Carols for Christmas, Easter, and May Day, Wassail songs would come under this heading, as would pace egg and mummers' songs. There are special songs like ''The Shrove Tuesday Song'', ''Hunting the Wren'', ''Hal-an-Tow'', and the ''Padstow May Song''.

[[Northill May Song]]

[[Swalcliffe May Day Carol]]

[[Waysailing Bowl,The]]

* Sections on soldiers' songs are to be found in ''[[The Folk Songs of Britain]]''

Hedon Road Gaol

2008-12-03T23:02:46Z

Ian Russell:

== '''Song Title:- Hedon Road Gaol''' ==

[[Roud number 1077]]

Sung by:- Unknown aged female, Hull, Yorkshire, from a field recording

See text, score and notes and listen to recording as sung by Steve Gardham at the [http://www.yorkshirefolksong.net Yorkshire Garland Group] website.

At six o' clock the bells do ring

For every man to rise,

To wash and scrub his little cell

And the place he occupies.

At seven o' clock skilly comes in

Skilly boiling, not!

It's sometimes thick and it's sometimes thin

And a pint is all you've got.

Chorus:

All around old Hedon Road Gaol,

Where you do no talking,

All around old Hedon Road Gaol

When you're teasing tarry oakum,

Hessian mailbags in your cell,

take warning what I've said,

It's a bloody rotten prison for a soldier.

And Hedon Road prison smells

And the bells are made of brass,

And now I've done my six-month

You can shove 'em right up your ...

[[Category:Song]]

Hedon Road Gaol

2008-12-03T22:55:54Z

Ian Russell:

== '''Song Title:- Hedon Road Gaol''' ==

[[Roud number 1077]]

Sung by:- Unknown aged female, Hull, Yorkshire, from a field recording

See text, score and notes and listen to recording as sung by Steve Gardham at www.yorkshirefolksong.net

At six o' clock the bells do ring

For every man to rise,

To wash and scrub his little cell

And the place he occupies.

At seven o' clock skilly comes in

Skilly boiling, not!

It's sometimes thick and it's sometimes thin

And a pint is all you've got.

Chorus:

All around old Hedon Road Gaol,

Where you do no talking,

All around old Hedon Road Gaol

When you're teasing tarry oakum,

Hessian mailbags in your cell,

take warning what I've said,

It's a bloody rotten prison for a soldier.

And Hedon Road prison smells

And the bells are made of brass,

And now I've done my six-month

You can shove 'em right up your ...

[[Category:Song]]

Roud 3

2008-12-03T22:46:40Z

Ian Russell:

[http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?index_roud=on&cross=off&type=Song&access=off&op_9=or&field_9=&op_12=or&field_12=&op_13=or&field_13=&op_14=or&field_14=&op_15=or&field_15=&op_47=or&field_47=&op_16=or&field_16=&op_0=or&field_0=&op_17=or&field_17=&op_10=or&field_10=&op_11=or&field_11=&op_18=or&field_18=&op_19=or&field_19=&op_20=or&field_20=&op_21=or&field_21=&op_22=or&field_22=&op_23=or&field_23=&op_24=or&field_24=&op_5=or&field_5=&op_25=or&field_25=&op_26=or&field_26=&fieldshow=single&op=or&query=3&field=20&output=Record&length=5&submit=Submit+query Roud Index]

[[Garners Gay]]

[[Category:Roud No.]]

Roud 1375

2008-12-03T22:45:46Z

Ian Russell:

[http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?index_roud=on&cross=off&type=Song&access=off&op_9=or&field_9=&op_12=or&field_12=&op_13=or&field_13=&op_14=or&field_14=&op_15=or&field_15=&op_47=or&field_47=&op_16=or&field_16=&op_0=or&field_0=&op_17=or&field_17=&op_10=or&field_10=&op_11=or&field_11=&op_18=or&field_18=&op_19=or&field_19=&op_20=or&field_20=&op_21=or&field_21=&op_22=or&field_22=&op_23=or&field_23=&op_24=or&field_24=&op_5=or&field_5=&op_25=or&field_25=&op_26=or&field_26=&fieldshow=single&op=or&query=1375&field=20&output=Record&length=5&submit=Submit+query Roud Index]

[[Good Old Leathern Bottle, The]]

Reaphook and Sickle

[[Category:Roud No.]]

Roud 1375

2008-12-03T22:39:23Z

Ian Russell:

[http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?index_roud=on&cross=off&type=Song&access=off&op_9=or&field_9=&op_12=or&field_12=&op_13=or&field_13=&op_14=or&field_14=&op_15=or&field_15=&op_47=or&field_47=&op_16=or&field_16=&op_0=or&field_0=&op_17=or&field_17=&op_10=or&field_10=&op_11=or&field_11=&op_18=or&field_18=&op_19=or&field_19=&op_20=or&field_20=&op_21=or&field_21=&op_22=or&field_22=&op_23=or&field_23=&op_24=or&field_24=&op_5=or&field_5=&op_25=or&field_25=&op_26=or&field_26=&fieldshow=single&op=or&query=1375&field=20&output=Record&length=5&submit=Submit+query Roud Index]

[[Good Old Leathern Bottle, The]]

Reaphook and Sickle

Roud 3

2008-12-03T22:37:48Z

Ian Russell: New page: [http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?index_roud=on&cross=off&type=Song&access=off&op_9=or&field_9=&op_12=or&field_12=&op_13=or&field_13=&op_14=or&field_14=&op_15=or&field_15=&op_47=...

Floating down the tide

2008-12-03T22:17:00Z

Ian Russell:

'''Floating down the tide''' 
[[Roud number 1414]]

#O eight long months she’s been with child She cried unto her love Crying: Johnny, dearest Johnny Prove kind and marry me 
#Go home to your parents And do the best you can And tell them that young Johnny Has proved a false young man 
#I shan’t go to my parents For the shame of my disgrace But I will go and drown myself Into some lonesome place 
#Then she pulled out her fine cloth Her body to destroy Saying: Farewell, false-hearted Johnny For your sweet sake I die 
#As Johnny was a-walking Sown by some riverside he saw his own dear Polly Come floating down the tide 
#Then he pulled off his small cloth His body to destroy He clutched his hands on Polly His dear and only joy 
#Saying: I’ve no friends or relations My dear to mourn for me ‘Tis on the cold and clutty banks I’ll die with my Polly 
[[Susan Williams]], Haselbury, [[Somerset]]; collected by [[Cecil Sharp]] 27th Dec 1905 

[[Media:Floating down the tide.pdf|Floating down the tide - tune]]

Cecil Sharp MSS, [[Folk Words]] pp.795-796 / [[Folk Tunes]] p.706

[[Category:Song]]

Category:Roud No.

2008-12-03T22:13:25Z

Ian Russell: New page: Using Roud Numbers

[[Using Roud Numbers]]

Wiggy Smith

2008-12-03T21:38:23Z

Ian Russell:

'''Wiggy Smith:''' was born on 3rd July 1926 in a covered wagon parked on the fields of Filton Common near Bristol - the area now covered by Filton aerodrome.  As the first boy to be born in his family, he was named after his father, Wisdom (the eldest of a family of ten children), but was nicknamed Wiggy to distinguish him.  In his early years the whole family travelled, mostly around the Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire and West Midland areas, sometimes living in tents, but mostly in covered wagons - the horse-drawn caravans they call ‘barrel-tops’.  The family had originally come from the New Forest area, which may go towards accounting for the difference in accent between Wiggy and his father and uncles.

He served in several capacities during the Second World War and was injured by shrapnel, having to spend some time in hospital with his eyes bandaged.  Whilst in the forces, he’d cycle from Oxford up to Leamington or Warwick to see the girl he was to marry, Myra, from another Midlands travelling family.  Wiggy’s fine singing meant that, with his brothers-in-law, they would visit different pubs each weekend, and Wiggy would sing with the hat being put round at the end.  ''“They could drink all night - I couldn’t drink.  I used to do all the singing and they used to get all the drink.  They used to go round with the hat - 7 or 8 bob say.  That was enough to last me and my wife a couple of days for food.”''  Later on, Wiggy performed in many of the pubs around Gloucestershire with his two brothers as The Travellers and fondly remembers the enthusiastic reception they used to receive.

Wiggy lived on the same site, between Cheltenham and Tewkesbury in Gloucestershire for 31 years.  Like many of his contemporaries, most of his travelling was done earlier in his life, and was bounded by Coventry, Warwick, Northampton, down on the fens (March) for the spud picking and back to Cheltenham area again.

--[[User:RodStradling|RodStradling]] 17:53, 26 March 2007 (BST)

[[Rich Farmer Of Sheffield, The]]

Wiggy Smith

2008-12-03T21:37:54Z

Ian Russell:

Ritual Songs

2008-12-03T19:07:46Z

Ian Russell:

Many of our folk songs arise from cermonies or rituals, or are just seasonal. Carols for Christmas, Easter, and May Day, Wassail songs would come under this heading, as would pace egg and mummers' songs. There are special songs like ''The Shrove Tuesday Song'', ''Hunting the Wren'', ''Hal-an-Tow'', and the ''Padstow May Song''.

[[Northill May Song]]

[[Waysailing Bowl,The]]

* Sections on soldiers' songs are to be found in ''[[The Folk Songs of Britain]]''

Ritual Songs

2008-12-03T19:07:25Z

Ian Russell:

Many of our folk songs arise from cermonies or rituals, or are just seasonal. Carols for Christmas, Easter, and May Day, Wassail songs would come under this heading, as would pace egg and mummers' songs. There are special songs like ''The Shrove Tuesday Song'', ''Hunting the Wren'', ''Hal-an-Tow'', and the ''Padstow May Song''.

[[Northill May Song]]
[[Waysailing Bowl,The]]

* Sections on soldiers' songs are to be found in ''[[The Folk Songs of Britain]]''

Songs of Good Company

2008-12-03T18:58:24Z

Ian Russell:

There are many songs about having a good time with friends, usually with a lot of beer in an inn. Many, such as ''Good Ale'', extol the health benefits of alcoholic beverage, whereas others, such as ''Farewell to Whisky'', take the opposite view.

''A Taste of Ale'' by Roy Palmer, 2000, Green Branch, Lechlade is an excellent collection of songs about beer and ale

and

''The Tale of Ale'' compiled by Vic Gammon, Free Reed Records, is a classic album of song, music and anecdote.

Two anthologies with sections on drinking songs are ''[[The Singing Island]]'' and ''[[Folk Songs of Britain and Ireland]]'', and ''[[The Voice of the People]]'' has an album on the theme.

[[Good Old Leathern Bottle, The]]

Talk:Main Page

2008-12-01T18:26:34Z

Ian Russell: Discuss where? Signposting.

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Last contribution to folkopedia discussion at yahoo 2Sep08 and on discussion behind 'Song' 4 April '07. Which is the best place to make points about the developing structure? I've posted to yahoo asking for better signposting to songs. Ian Russell

User:Ian Russell

2008-11-27T23:05:56Z

Ian Russell:

I've been playing music since childhood. I played euphonium in brass bands through my teens. In my mid-teens I began to take a serious interest in folk music (and guitar and mandolin). My father's singing and his books and records got me off to a good start. When I went to Sussex University (to study biological sciences) I met and became friends with Vic Gammon and Will Duke. I was in at the beginning of the Pump and Pluck Band and played (trombone and banjos) and sang with Will, Vic and Sheila Gammon, Alun Howkins, Pam Gilder and Eddie Upton amongst others in those early days of 'hardcore English". I had two years out from Pump and Pluck while I lived and worked in India. I also did some depping with the London band Nellie the Elephant.

For almost all my working life I have been a primary school teacher, in recent years a music specialist. As a music teacher I've also done a good deal of work in Early Years settings. I manage a Saturday morning music centre which caters also for secondary school pupils.